Category Archives: The Love of God

God’s Love Can Change Everything

By John Thiel, mp3

Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding. 29 He giveth power to the faint; and to [them that have] no might he increaseth strength.

We need to understand the true import of these words for our happiness and joy. Read the rest of this entry

The Principled Love of God

By John Thiel, Audio:mp3

The messages that have been currently conveyed from this pulpit have been prefaced by the words of the book ‘In Heavenly Places’:

I want you to fall in love with the Man of Calvary, {HP 354.3}

This term “fall in love” as used by the Spirit of Prophecy here, has deteriorated into an emotional, love-sick, sentimentalism in this generation, so that the true meaning of those words are all smudged in our mind. It is a term that is used that generates divorces nowadays, because people emotionally fall in love with one another governed by the passions of the flesh and love-sick sentimentalism. The old-fashioned meaning of falling in love is better illustrated in another page: Read the rest of this entry

The Reverence of Love

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

We have been contemplating the great reconciling love of God. We have seen that He, the creator of the universe has sacrificed such an immeasurable amount. He, the pure God, came into impurity with us. The Father was there as we have read in Corinthians with Christ reconciling sinners, appealing to them through His sacrifice to love Him whom they did not love.

As we contemplated these amazing dimensions of God’s love and we saw what Jesus has done because of my sin, our sinfulness becomes magnified. This is one reason why many people don’t want the real Jesus. If you look at the real Jesus you will feel absolutely grotty. You will feel like you are a vile sinner, you will see yourself, you will abhor yourself and you will hate sin whereas before you may have enjoyed it. Why do we hate sin when we look upon the love of Jesus? We discover that that sin which I enjoyed caused the death and suffering of the divine one. Read the rest of this entry

The Love of God amidst Human Chaos

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

Oh that our hearts are lifted up to our wonderful Creator and powerful guide that nothing will permit us to be disjointed by things that transpires on this planet. I would like to turn our attention to this wonderful God who loves us even when everything that we see about ourselves and we see in people around us looks hopeless, that He is there. He is in the midst of it all. The plight of humanity, ever since the fall, is one of unexpected sorrow and chaos. You look right back through the history and everywhere you look things started well and then they went chaotic. The chaos was severe. Then there was a little lull and then away it went again. Repeatedly through history chaos thickened on this planet. Chaos was described in Isaiah 59, both in the house of the church, the house of Israel and among the wicked. This is talking about God’s people in the church:

Isaiah 59:11 We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but [there is] none; for salvation, [but] it is far off from us. 12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions [are] with us; and [as for] our iniquities, we know them; 13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. Read the rest of this entry

God’s Love with Whom We Have to Do

By John Thiel

You may be wondering about the grammatical correctness of the title of this sermon. The meaning can be found in 1 John:

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

It is the noun of God. God is love. If God is love, what is love? Love is God. God’s love with whom we have to do. We have to do, every single one of us have to do with Him who is love. Everything we have studied in reference to Him is love, is what pertains to each one of us individually. Our danger is that we don’t have to do with Him in our own mind. I will go on doing what I choose to do in spite of the amazing love that God is.

Our scripture reading is very sobering as we consider God’s love with whom we have to do:

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,

The word of God is love. What does it do? It pierces into your and my very soul. It divides asunder soul and spirit. It actually penetrates into the joints and marrow.

Hebrews 4:12 piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Do you like hearing the word of God that penetrates into your very intents where you have often felt, what does John know about me? John doesn’t know anything about anybody but only what the Lord reveals to him. The point is, that God knows everything. Everything!! Read the rest of this entry

A Love that Cannot be Offended

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

We have seen that love cannot be quenched yet the love of many grows cold. What was the reason? Many had permitted the pleasures of the world, life’s cares and perplexities and the faults of others or their own faults and sins to distract them from receiving that love that cannot be quenched and actually pushed it out of their memory.

As we are living in these last days, the love of many waxes cold because iniquity abounds and as a consequence, the church that Jesus addresses in Laodicea in Revelation is that they are lukewarm. Their love has grown to that condition of lukewarmness, not hot love anymore. Read the rest of this entry

The Healing Rays of God’s Love

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

We are in the presence of the great physician and we need to receive the healing rays of His love. As we contemplated in our previous message, how to tap into that love of God so that we can have it and fulfil the command that we should love as we are being loved, we reflected on Christ’s example how He could only do as He saw the Father do. He could only do as He heard the Father. As He saw, and as He heard; He could do nothing of Himself. This expression as I see and as I hear my Father do, suggests a very intimate communion. To see and to hear and to relate to continually. We cited Moses’ experience in reference to this:

Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Moses made an experience which was relating to an invisible being. Someone you can’t hear with your ear or see with your eye, but he did as Jesus did.

Moses gained that which went with him throughout the years of his toilsome and care-burdened life,—a sense of the personal presence of the Divine One…. {SD 94.2} Read the rest of this entry

Diligent Attention to God’s Companionship

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

I cannot, dare not walk alone. Do you find yourself lonesome, in this world? Do you find yourself handling life’s cares and conflicts and responsibilities as a soul operator? And as time goes on, do you find that things are getting too much? You can’t cope anymore, ready to fold up? It’s all getting too much. The words have come to me often: If only there was someone with me, I’m all alone, someone to talk with, to counsel with, to understand me.

As there words are often spoken to me, I turn around and say, there is somebody, and I point them to such a one. Quickly the answer comes back: But I need someone to see and to touch and to hear and to speak with. How real is God to you? How important is this mentality of thinking, this subject that we are handling here today? How important is it for those who are living at this time of history? How important? A companionship, a constant, unbroken walking with God, an experience of knowing that there is somebody livingly really with me. How important is this subject for the people who want to be among the 144,000: the product of the three angels’ messages. To be translated from among the living, how important is this subject? We have a representative of this subject for the people living in these last days. It’s found in our scripture reading, he is found in our scripture reading:

Genesis 5:24. And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah, for 300 years. And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Enoch walked with God. Who was Enoch that he should be a representative of us today? What did we read here? God took him. This is an important subject for you and me today:

By faith Enoch “was translated that he should not see death; … for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.” Hebrews 11:5. In the midst of a world by its iniquity doomed to destruction, Enoch lived a life of such close communion with God that he was not permitted to fall under the power of death. The godly character of this prophet represents the state of holiness which must be attained by those who shall be “redeemed from the earth” (Revelation 14:3) at the time of Christ’s second advent. Then, as in the world before the Flood, iniquity will prevail. Following the promptings of their corrupt hearts and the teachings of a deceptive philosophy, men will rebel against the authority of Heaven. But like Enoch, God’s people will seek for purity of heart and conformity to His will, until they shall reflect the likeness of Christ. Like Enoch, they will warn the world of the Lord’s second coming and of the judgments to be visited upon transgression, and by their holy conversation and example they will condemn the sins of the ungodly. {PP 88.3} Read the rest of this entry

The How of God’s Love

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

The Holy Spirit is here now to answer our prayer and His wooing voice speaks and says my son, my daughter, give me thine heart.

Proverbs 23:26 My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.

We have come to know that this person speaking to us is our loving, loving God. He is wooing by demonstration of His love. Wooing our hearts so that we may fall in love with Him. Then He says, when I have your heart, let your eyes observe my ways. Once He has our hearts, the connection of love is to observe His ways so that I may willingly do them. This has been our contemplation as we have been considering this principle of falling in love with God. How that God’s infinite love captivates our hearts and constrains, compels us to obey Him, to embrace His way of love. Our last study was a new commandment I give you that you may love one another as I have loved you. As we meditated on this, and in my conversation with souls afterwards, I received a huge burden upon my heart that after all the love that God has shown us that is to motivate me, to compel me to follow and embrace that love toward one another, that although He has attracted my heart we still have a problem. That problem is what I want to deal with in this study. Read the rest of this entry

God’s Sacrifice to Save

By John Thiel, mp3

Scripture reading: Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Our exploration into the infinite love of God takes us now to the Hebrew sanctuary to explore a particular element of God’s love. The holy God, the one that we sing of, where we use those words of His greatness as revealed in the starry skies:

Lord of all being throned afar…
Lord of all life, below, above.

This holy God, far removed from sin and sinners, came to the Hebrews. And what did He have to witness in reference to the Hebrews? This is an aspect of the Hebrews that really makes my head swim to think what they were already like in Egypt, before He took them out.

Ezekiel 20:5 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I [am] the LORD your God; 6 In the day [that] I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which [is] the glory of all lands: 7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God. 8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. 9 But I wrought for my name’s sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they [were], in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt. 10 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness.

What were the Hebrews like? Were they a people special in their behaviour, in their attitude towards God? Were they any different from the rest of the wicked world? While they were in Egypt, God already revealed the condition of these people; and they revealed it for themselves by their response when He asked them to cast away their abominations and their idols. Instead of them listening to Him and doing what He said, they rebelled. What did God do? Listen to what He says to these rebellious people whom He took out of Egypt in such a powerful manner, in such a demonstration of His kindness and love.

Exodus 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

To rebellious sinners, people who would not do as God had said, He said, I want to come and dwell among you.

Leviticus 26:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people. 13 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

“Let them make Me a sanctuary. I have set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you.” But they were sinners, as He described them in Egypt. Then afterwards He goes on in Ezekiel and continues to describe their rebellious nature. “I want to come and dwell among you.” Here, in living example, the God of heaven displays a dimension of His character, His glory, that we want to fully appreciate. We want to study it in the gift of Jesus because when Jesus came to this earth, who was He?

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just [man], and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

“I will set My tabernacle among the Hebrews; My soul shall not abhor them.” Here was the prophetic story of Jesus to be born and tabernacling with us. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. He so loved rebellious sinners that He placed His sanctuary among them; He tabernacled with them.

God commanded Moses for Israel, “Let them make Me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them” (Exodus 25:8), and He abode in the sanctuary, in the midst of His people. Through all their weary wandering in the desert, the symbol of His presence was with them. So Christ set up His tabernacle in the midst of our human encampment. He pitched His tent by the side of the tents of men, that He might dwell among us, and make us familiar with His divine character and life. “The Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us (and we beheld His glory, glory as of the Only Begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.” John 1:14, R. V., margin. {DA 23.3}

It’s so easy just to read that. It is so easy just to pour over those words and just let them affect a little interest, but what did this mean to God, that He, the holy God who was far removed from sin and sinners, would come and dwell among them, at close range? As we sang, My glory-circled throne I left for earthly night. Do we really comprehend the sacrifice that God made? God with us. With whom?

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”

God came to dwell among them. The comparison of someone who lives in a castle with a queen coming down and living with the paupers in the street, is only so small to what God did. It would be more in terms of someone who is in glowing health, living up there in the high position of a king or queen and coming down and dwelling in a sewer of disease. That’s even more so, but still doesn’t reach it. I am praying that the Lord will help us to see a dimension of God’s love that will burst our pride bubbles.

There is none righteous, no, not one; but we who are sinful don’t want to admit that. But when we look at God’s love in regards to what He has done, who has He come to dwell with? Someone who doesn’t really, really want Him in the first place, but who is feeling miserable because the consequences of sin have put him into the sewer.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What is God’s love like? He came to dwell, abide, among enemies. When we look at Jesus dwelling among enemies, He has this wonderful state of mind that we can read in Zechariah, This is what happened to Me in the house of My friends. That is a subtle way of saying, These are My enemies; My friends are My enemies.

Try to comprehend, stop long enough to look at this, and may the Holy Spirit help us to understand what this sacrifice was and is. He who is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners” came and dwelt and tabernacled among us, and exposed Himself to what? This pure, undefiled, harmless, holy God shudders in any contact with sin. Yet here is Christ, God with us.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

He has come to dwell among us as He dwelt among the Hebrews in the tabernacle. God was in Christ. Christ was the tabernacle. God was in Him. And as God was in Him, what did He expose Himself to?

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

He has tabernacled in a body that was made to be sin for us. What kind of an experience do you imagine this could be? Let the Holy Spirit really reveal it to your mind. Are you in tune? God’s untouchable nature, holy, harmless, undefiled and separate from sinners, exposed Himself to sin itself, although He knew no sin. “Let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.” Dwell! Not only pop in and pop out again, but be there, and dwell, abide, among them, exposing Himself.

Remember why He wanted to do that. He wanted to help us, He wanted to save us.

Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

The church was the Hebrews. The church were the people who accepted and walked with Jesus; and that included the seventy; that included Judas; it includes every sinner who acknowledges that He is among them. And He calls them brethren. “My friends.” “This was done to Me in the house of My brethren.” Are you picking something up here? How easy just to read through this material. As I have experienced many times, when I try to get this material across to people I have studied with, it’s a bit of a burden as a minister to do this. People would rather study prophecy; they would rather study something exciting, but this, in my experience, has been a battle to get across to people to really get them fascinated with this. I find this amazing. That is why we need the Holy Spirit to help us here.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

God was in Christ, reconciling us to Him. God was in Christ, who was made to be sin. In all things it behoved Him to be made like unto us, not just to come and dwell with us as an immaculate being. You know what the teaching is – the immaculate birth of Christ. No, no, no. Satan has deceived the minds of people right down to the Adventist circles, and the reform circles, saying that Jesus was a notch above us. This makes me shudder that the pure gospel has been so contorted. Because this pure gospel gives us a manifestation of God who is so harmless, so undefiled, so holy that He would actually expose Himself to feel and experience sin, which was His divine horror – abomination, dreadful to a pure being. Consider this with me as we try to appreciate and comprehend.

How few have any conception of the anguish which rent the heart of the Son of God during His thirty years of life upon earth. {TMK 66.2}

How long? Dwelling among us for thirty years. What anguish rent His heart right down the track.

The path from the manger to Calvary was shadowed by sorrow and grief. He was the Man of Sorrows, and endured such heartache as no human language can portray. {Ibid.}

I can’t even do it. It’s the Holy Spirit who has to portray it to you. He endured the path from the manger to the cross, a heartache that cannot be portrayed.

He could have said in truth, “Behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow” (Lamentations 1:12). His suffering was the deepest anguish of the soul; and what man could have sympathy with the soul anguish of the Son of the infinite God? {Ibid.}

Remember, God was in Christ.

Hating sin with a perfect hatred, He yet gathered to His soul the sins of the whole world, as He trod the path to Calvary, suffering the penalty of the transgressor. Guiltless, He bore the punishment of the guilty; innocent, yet offering Himself to bear the penalty of the transgression of the law of God. The punishment of the sins of every soul was borne by the Son of the infinite God. {Ibid.}

What is it? He hated sin with a perfect hatred; He was undefiled. There was not the slightest impurity in His mind, and yet He exposed Himself to sin.

The guilt of every sin… {Ibid.}

How many? Every sin

…pressed its weight upon the divine soul of the world’s Redeemer. {Ibid.}

Who is the divine soul? God Himself.

He who knew no sin became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. In assuming the nature of man, {Ibid.}

In assuming the tabernacle of man,

…He placed Himself where He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, that by His stripes we might be healed. {Ibid.}

In His humanity Christ was tried with as much greater temptation, with as much more persevering energy than man is tried by the evil one, as His nature was greater than man’s. {TMK 66.3}

When you and I are tempted, our nature is already grotty, and for us be tempted by grottiness is nowhere near as painful (even though we are trying to get out of it) as it was for the one who was completely pure, who hated sin with a manner that you cannot comprehend. And He had to go through with what we have to go through.

This is a deep mysterious truth, that Christ is bound to humanity by the most sensitive sympathies. {Ibid.}

What were those sensitive sympathies?

The evil works, the evil thoughts, the evil words of every son and daughter of Adam press upon His divine soul. The sins of men called for retribution upon Himself, for He had become man’s substitute, and took upon Him the sins of the world. He bore the sins of every sinner, for all transgressions were imputed unto Him. . . . “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3). {Ibid.}

Most people don’t want to look at this long enough because it hurts too much. But let it hurt, and at the same time let it touch our hearts to do something. I thank God for this description because it qualifies perfectly that when Jesus, the man who was the tabernacle for the most High God, went through this, the most High God, the divine soul, was exposed to our sinfulness.

The mind of man cannot conceive of the unutterable anguish that tortured the soul of our Redeemer. {BEcho, August 1, 1892 par. 13}

It has to be revealed to you; it can’t be conceived.

The holy Son of God had no sins or griefs of his own to bear: he was bearing the griefs of others; for on him was laid the iniquity of us all. Through divine sympathy he connects himself with man, and as the representative of the race he submits to be treated as a transgressor. He looks into the abyss of woe opened for us by our sins, and proposes to bridge the gulf of man’s separation from God. {Ibid.}

He looks into the abyss and He says, “Right, I will become the ladder. I am going to be the God that I am and I am going to come and touch the human nature” the way we have just described, touching us right down to the lowest rung, to experience the evil works, the evil words and the evil thoughts in Himself. Is that a sacrifice? But let’s not rush away from it, let it sink in. Let it be our meditation as we spend time with Him here and when we go out from here, and let it not lose its impact on our soul. Why did He do it? Why did He expose Himself? Why did His divine soul become so bruised by something that indeed would bruise a divine soul who hates sin so much? Why did He do it?

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin;

That what?

2 Corinthians 5:21 …that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The righteousness of God who hated sin, the righteousness of God whom we didn’t have because we were separated from God. There was the tabernacle, Jesus Christ, and there was God inside of Jesus. And as He dwells among us with our sinfulness, He says, “Let me exchange. Your sin is Mine and My righteousness is yours – My godly hatred for sin, My godly purity, My undefiled nature in Jesus Christ, is exchanged in the man.” That’s why He did it.

He hates sin; but from love to sinners He gave Himself, in the person of Christ, that all who would might be saved and have eternal blessedness in the kingdom of glory. {5T 633.1}

Can you appreciate what that means? He gave Himself in the person of Christ. God was in Christ. He gave Himself in the person of Christ, that all who would might be saved and have eternal blessedness, that all who would might be made the righteousness of God in Him. This is His purpose, “that all who would.” I want to pose this thought very heavily upon our conscience. Read in Lamentations the actual disastrous experience of the divine God appealing to us, “Do you care? Would you care to appreciate My sacrifice? Is it nothing to you?” Here is that plaintive cry of God:

Lamentations 1:12 [Is it] nothing to you [what I have sacrificed], all ye that pass by?

How many have passed by this story? Is it nothing to you?

Lamentations 1:12 …behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Try to get your head around that. God was in Christ, and the Father was pouring His anguish and grief and anger upon Himself. Is it nothing to you? Do you struggle with certain requirements of God’s will?

This is the purpose of my whole ministry from here onwards, that we come face to face with every aspect of God’s will, and it’s going to cut you right to the core. It’s going to strike you right at the root of all that motivates you in sinful self, and me too. As I share this, with the repetition of God’s love continually, the language will be, Is it nothing to you what Jesus has done, what the God of heaven has done to sacrifice His comfort so that you will sacrifice, and I will sacrifice my comfort, to do His will? I have often heard people say, It’s too hard. It’s too hard, I can’t. That is why God did the hard thing. As we struggle with the requirements of God’s will, reflect whether it was too hard for God to expose Himself to such dimensions as I have described through His word. Is your burden of sin so hard to drop in comparison to what He dropped and what He suffered under? The exchange is just out of balance.

He wants us to drop the indulgences of self, which are our destruction, by Himself coming and exposing Himself and proposing to take my guilt and evil upon His divine soul. It’s too hard for Him; it caused the human tabernacle to die. Was it too hard for Him? He could have said, I can’t any more. Isn’t that what Jesus said? As the divine nature felt the detail of being exposed to the sin, what did He say? Father, I can’t anymore; but if it’s Your will, I will. Have you ever said that in reference to something you must give up, in reference to something that is so dear to you it feels like it’s the life-blood in your soul? That is what Jesus felt. And He poured his life-blood out to submit to the will of God. What will you and I do? Sin that teems around us, that is indulged because everybody is doing it, certain aspects of life that we have become used to – they have become our mode of action, they have become our norm. And we realise, If I continue down this path I’m going be destroyed! and I want to stop, but I can’t because it’s so much my norm.

But the fear of destruction doesn’t do the trick, does it? Have you found that? It doesn’t change a thing because I will keep on plunging deeper. This is what I see this in the people I care for who are in the drug world. And that is what Jesus felt. An attachment of sin to the human so strong that He could hardly give it up – He felt that in Himself. In this story of what we have just contemplated there is something more powerful than the fear of destruction, when we contemplate the sacrifice of God.

We are living in an age when wickedness prevails. The perils of the last days thicken around us, and because iniquity abounds the love of many waxes cold…. The shortness of time is urged as an incentive for us to seek righteousness and to make Christ our friend. This is not the great motive. It savors of selfishness. {TMK 320.3}

Selfishness must be totally uprooted out of our life. So if I am going to give you messages of warning that Jesus is coming very soon and you better get ready because otherwise you will be destroyed, you will be motivated by selfishness. “I want to be saved, therefore I better do what’s right!” You will not succeed. This is not the great motive. It savors of selfishness.

Is it necessary that the terrors of the day of God be held before us to compel us through fear to right action? This ought not to be. Jesus is attractive. He is full of love, mercy, and compassion. He proposes to be our friend, to walk with us through all the rough pathways of life. He says to you, I am the Lord thy God; {Ibid.}

Isn’t that what He said to the Hebrews? “Make Me a sanctuary that I may dwell with you.”

… walk with Me, and I will fill thy path with light. Jesus, the Majesty of heaven, proposes to elevate to companionship with Himself those who come to Him with their burdens, their weaknesses, and their cares. He will make them His dear children, and finally give them an inheritance of more value than the empires of kings, a crown of glory richer than has ever decked the brow of the most exalted earthly monarch. {Ibid.}

“I want to dwell among you, so that you may dwell with Me. I want to dwell with your iniquity, so that you may dwell with My purity.” Is it nothing to you when it comes to giving up our precious comfort zone?

As I mentioned already, the messages that I will be passing on in the future will lay the requirements of God’s will vividly before us while this love will be replayed all the way through. We are to be inspired by His love to be:

…like-minded with God, pure, holy, sincere. {20MR 370.3}

God wants us to be like-minded with Him, pure, holy and sincere. That’s what He is like.

Our standard is to be the character of Him who is pure, holy, undefiled. {CT 392.3}

That is the righteousness that was in Christ who is connected with us in our sinful condition. This is His wonderful proposal by His powerful infinite love.

Romans 8:31 If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?

Can you appreciate what that means? What did He do? He gave us everything in Jesus Christ. Everything. There is nothing that He doesn’t give us by becoming one with us in sin. Never forget, I didn’t say in sinning, but in experiencing my sin. He who hates it. That was the suffering, and with that suffering He brings us His righteousness so that we might suffer in sin instead of enjoying it, so that I will suffer like He does with contact with evil, so that I will suffer and be sinless, as it is written.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

What a profound message that is. It gives you a practical understanding of what it means to suffer with Christ. It means to hate sin as He hated it. And the only way you can hate sin as He hated it, is to see that He who hated sin became part of your and my sin.

The ransom has been paid, and it is possible for all to come to God, and through a life of obedience to attain unto everlasting life. {FE 234.1}

How are we going to attain to everlasting life? By a life of obedience, as Jesus obeyed.

Then how sad it is that men turn from the immortal inheritance, and live for the gratification of pride, for selfishness and display, and through submission to the rule of Satan, lose the blessing which they might have both in this life and in the life to come. {Ibid.}

Isn’t this what man is doing? They do not let this strong compelling force of God’s love in touching us in the sacrifice He has made; they do not permit that this should break the gratification of pride, of selfishness and display. So every time this pride and selfishness and selfish desire of reaching out for things, is totally broken in us, that is what is going to save us so we can obey.

They might enter into the palaces of heaven, and associate on terms of freedom and equality with Christ and heavenly angels, and with the princes of God; and yet, incredible as it may seem, they turn from heavenly attractions. The Creator of all worlds proposes to love those who believe in His only-begotten Son as their personal Saviour, even as He loves His Son. Even here and now His gracious favor is bestowed upon us to this marvelous extent. He has given to men the gift of the Light and Majesty of heaven, and with Him He has bestowed all the treasures of heaven. {Ibid.}

He has given us all things.

Much as He has promised us for the life to come, He also bestows princely gifts upon us in this life, and as subjects of His grace, He would have us enjoy everything that will ennoble, expand, and elevate our characters. It is His design to fit us for the heavenly courts above. {Ibid.}

That was why He paid the sacrifice, why He made the sacrifice of such dimensions. And this is what is expressed by someone who understands, like E. G. White:

What love! What amazing condescension! The King of glory proposes to humble Himself to fallen humanity! He would place His feet in Adam’s steps. He would take man’s fallen nature, and engage to cope with the strong foe who triumphed over Adam. He would overcome Satan, and in thus doing He would open the way for the redemption from the disgrace of Adam’s failure and fall, of all those who would believe on Him. {AG 23.6}

What love. May this love fill us with determination to sacrifice our comforts for our salvation, as God sacrificed His comfort for your and my salvation. This is my prayer. May we grasp it.


The Love that Motivates Obedience

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

“Redeeming love has been my theme and shall be till I die.”

Is that your theme? It is mine and this is the theme that I will continue to make prominent in all the messages in the future. I want to ask you a question. If God came to you and asked you to do something that made not a skerrick of sense to you, would you do it? If He lay a requirement upon you that you cannot feel comfortable with because it goes right against your grain, what would you answer? Would you answer like some people have in my experience, please God, I’m not convinced on that point yet. When I’m convicted I can do it. I want to get some explanations to see whether it really is right or not.

I want you to exercise your mind on that question. Anything at all that God lays upon you and you cannot see within yourself that it is a good idea, it has some ramifications, it has some problems if I do it, what would you do? Would you say, alright God, you know everything and I don’t know anything, I will do just what you say because I love you. Is that what you would say? Read the rest of this entry

A New Commandment

That dying love Thou gavest me, nor should I ought withhold, dear Lord from Thee. In love my soul would bow, my heart fulfil its vow, some offering bring Thee now.

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

We are to respond to such a love, to sacrifice all for Him. That which we want to meditate about now is to sacrifice something for Him in regards to our relationship. We know well how the Ten Commandments are the laws of relationships, the relationship between God and us and us with one another. These commandments of God have been chronicled for the revelation to all humanity and they are indeed summarised here. Let us appreciate what God has said in reference to these Ten Commandments in their summary.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Read the rest of this entry

An Expose of God’s Love

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The big problem in modern Christianity today is that people do not believe that the Ten Commandments can be perfectly kept. They do not believe that Jesus can save us from sin so that we can have sinless perfection. Here the love of God has been given us so that we can believe that because the love of God is something that motivates to sinlessness and to perfect obedience. Read the rest of this entry

The Things that Quench Our Love

By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

1 Corinthians 3:4 Charity suffereth long,

If love is brought to suffer, does it become quenched? No. It suffers long.

1 Corinthians [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, Read the rest of this entry

Our Need of God’s Love

By John Thiel, mp3

Scripture reading: John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

We need to be daily strengthened by the deep love of God, {UL 159.6} 

For this reason it is in my heart to frequently display that deep love of God before the congregation. If it’s needed daily then we need it on Sabbath very much. We are here keeping the Sabbath to admire our God. To admire Him we must see something to admire; and it’s His love. It was the Apostle Paul’s earnest prayer that the people whom he ministered to could appreciate that love. Together with Apostle Paul this is my prayer. Read the rest of this entry

From Defeat to Victory


By John Thiel

The night is dark and I am far from home. Is that true?  Is the night dark? We live according to the Word of God in a time of gross darkness. The danger for us is that we may not know it, but because we have living truth that has been given us through the three angels’ messages we become more conscious of it. So indeed, you and I, who dwell under the three angels’ messages are aware of the fact that we must be of the number that are recorded in Revelation.

Revelation 14:1  And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

This speaks of the 144,000. As it states in verses 4 and 5, they are not defiled with women for they are virgins. This is speaking in reference to the churches that they are not defiled  by the false teachings of the different churches. We are either part of that company under this message or we are lost. As we know this, have you ever read verse 5 with a terrible foreboding wanting to go over you? I must be among this number and this number are without fault and there is no guile in their mouth. Have you discovered faults in your life and even guile? I must be among this number or be lost. Read the rest of this entry

The Lord and I

By John Thiel

Psalm 16:11 Thou wilt show me the path of life: in thy presence [is] fulness of joy; at thy right hand [there are] pleasures for evermore.

In this study it is my purpose to bring everything that I have ever preached in the past down to a living companionship with God. The term I just expressed, everything I have ever preached, it is something I’ve appreciated from the book Ministry of Healing;

The mere hearing of sermons Sabbath after Sabbath, the reading of the Bible through and through, or the explanation of it verse by verse, will not benefit us or those who hear us, unless we bring the truths of the Bible into our individual experience. The understanding, the will, the affections, must be yielded to the control of the word of God. Then through the work of the Holy Spirit the precepts of the word will become the principles of the life. {MH 514.1}

This statement we must understand. As we hear the sermons and read the Bible, many people still do not find the true benefit of it all. . I’m hoping and praying the benefit of this will be reached out for by us individually as we are in the presence of God today. God is speaking as follows: Read the rest of this entry

Finding True Fulfilment in a Relationship with God


By John Thiel

There are all sorts of things in the world today that make you sad. One thing today is family dysfunction. There is global disaster where ever you look. We are protected here in Australia but in many places there is constant conflict and difficulty. There are many social disappointments even in the church. When we have looked for something to satisfy our selfish desires, we become disappointed with our desires of relationships that don’t work out as hoped. The wars in the world destroy natural and social events. There is a great amount of social insecurity. Where do these things come from? What is the source of these disasters and disappointments? The curse causeless does not come.

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The Love of the Father

By John Thiel

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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The Love of God in Worldly Associations


By John Thiel, Audio: mp3

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

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Regarded as Sinless


By John Thiel

We are in need of trusting Jesus as Satan is going about seeking who he can destroy. I have seen very strong spiritual people being tossed about especially as they discover more and more their sinfulness. Not surprising as the nearer we come to Jesus, the more distinctly we will see our sinfulness. This is a message that we need to remind ourselves continually that we need to believe. I find myself having to remind even the strongest believers today of this message. When our lives are illuminated by Jesus, we see ourselves as we really are. We keep on feeling oppressed. We keep feeling that I’m too sinful and that I have no hope because I see that my sins are so severe, they are part of my very being, my sinful flesh.

There are those who have known the pardoning love of Christ, and who really desire to be children of God, yet they realize that their character is imperfect, their life faulty, and they are ready to doubt whether their hearts have been renewed by the Holy Spirit. To such I would say, do not draw back in despair. We shall often have to bow down and weep at the feet of Jesus because of our shortcomings and mistakes; but we are not to be discouraged. Even if we are overcome by the enemy, we are not cast off, not forsaken and rejected of God. No; Christ is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Said the beloved John, “These things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” And do not forget the words of Christ, “The Father himself loveth you.” John 16:27. He desires to restore you to Himself, to see His own purity and holiness reflected in you. And if you will but yield yourself to Him, He that hath begun a good work in you will carry it forward to the day of Jesus Christ. {FLB 118.4} Read the rest of this entry

3. God the Father

By John Thiel, Audio: God the Father

The angels are the messengers of God that communicate to humanity.  Humanity then takes the role of these messengers and proclaims the word of God to us in the three angel’s messages. Our second study was the revelation of the God whom the first angel’s message proclaims to us that we should worship.

Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Read the rest of this entry

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