Was the Atonement Completed When Jesus Died?

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This is a question that has had debate about it and a lot of controversies and discussion on this point. I don’t really want to make it a point of controversy because the Bible says great is the mystery of godliness without controversy.

It is important to understand, was the atonement completed at the cross? I believe a lot of confusion on the point comes from big words – a misunderstanding of big words. I don’t use big words because I can’t say them half the time. I will try and keep it simple in the point of making us understand what was actually done at the cross of Calvary and what the effect of the cross of Calvary in relation to Christ’s heavenly administration is.

Definition of Atonement

The word atonement has two meanings; It means reconciliation after enmity or controversy – concord. The word atonement has in it ‘at – one – ment.’ The word ‘ment’ means in the state of. Enjoyment is the state of enjoying things. At-one-ment is the state of being in unity.
The second definition of the word atonement is expiation. Expiation means the act of making satisfaction for an offence by which the guilt is done away. Depending on what meaning of the word ‘atonement’ you take, it can depend on what kind of answer you can come up with to the question – was the atonement completed at the cross?

Genesis 3:7-10 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.

The word atonement fits with the first definition most accurately inits use because in Genesis 3:7-9 we find that mankind fell into sin. What that basically meant was that man became God’s enemy or God became man’s enemy. That was displayed in the actions of Adam and Eve when God called for them in the Garden. The Bible says in Genesis 3:7 that they hid themselves. As the Lord pursued them, He inquired why. The reason why they hid themselves was because they were afraid. At this point we see that there was no unity. There was no concord between man and God. There was no at-one-ment – a state of being in unity. They were then alienated. We have come into this scenario by virtue of being born into the human race.

What Did God Do?

Ephesians 2:12-16 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

What was done at the cross was the destruction of the thing that made us enemies which made the problem of Adam and Eve running from God in the first place. It was destroyed at Calvary.
What was destroyed at Calvary?

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Jesus Christ destroyed the enmity was the canal nature.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The mentality, the egocentric nature of mankind that has self-defense mechanism in it was destroyed at Calvary. If you ponder Calvary, was Jesus acting in self-defense in Calvary? Was it a battle for Him to get to that point? When you look at Gethsemane, there were drops of blood. There was a battle between the canal nature and the divine nature – that which God always intended man to become – His image, the divine of what man has become through sin. Those two elements met face to face at the cross of Calvary and Christ conquered. He did not respond. He did not follow. He did not mind the things of the flesh. He was not carnally minded. He did not pursue the carnal nature thereby destroying the carnal nature.

The amazing thing about the cross of Calvary, is that Jesus was a human being. He wasn’t 50% human and 50% divine. He was totally human at the same time being totally God. I can’t give you the signs about that but that is the case. Mankind now has a representative who has conquered the carnal nature. Praise the Lord for that.

What Else happened at the Cross?

It was a lamb without spot.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

What happened at the cross? There was a perfect life that was developed from childhood, from Bethlehem all the way to Calvary. He didn’t transgress. What He developed was a perfect human character. It wasn’t just about God coming and just killing the carnal nature, it was actually the building up of a perfect human nature. That is what was done at the cross also.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

This text tells us that every human being died at the cross. When we understand what Jesus destroyed at the cross, that enmity, that is the source of every single sin in this world. He destroyed it. In that act of destroying and condemning sin in the flesh, the Bible says in Peter that our sins were laid in His body on the tree.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Not just that Jesus conquered the carnal nature and developed a perfect human character, but Jesus bore everybody’s sins past, present and future. In other words, in a week’s time I can meet someone who has transgressed, I could present them to the gospel and the offering of God on Calvary covers their mistake. That is what happened at the cross. This is a gift that God gave to us because all this was done while we were enemies.

As for us on the external, we didn’t change from one moment to the next. The world hasn’t become perfect from the crucifixion sins. Something happened that has to make its affect upon me today. Not then because I wasn’t alive then. How do we understand this?

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

All our problems, all our faults and failings, Christ bore them all that time ago. Do you believe it?

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

What you’ll notice in this text and all through Romans is a present and current scenario and then it puts it in a future reality. Something happened now that will have an effect later on.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

While we were enemies, we were where there was reconciliation happening. That reconciliation was to have an effect beyond that. That is what the apostle is saying. The question that we are asking is, was the atonement complete at the cross?

Something happened at the crucifixion of Christ that the Romans then received. Did the Romans receive it as soon as He died? When is the ‘now’? Is it now when you receive it or when Christ died? If the now is when Christ died then why do we have a sin problem? Does reception require individual choice? Does the reception of the atonement require individual acceptance? If that is the case then this work of making you and me one with God is not just dependent upon the atoning sacrifice but also on the reception of the atoning sacrifice which happens after the atoning sacrifice.

Here is an example in an illustration.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

He is drawing a comparison between Christ and Adam because Adam sinned you and I have received something from Adam. The Bible says everyone has been made from one blood. Because of the genetic connection through Adam we have all received something that Adam did long ago. It is only now coming to effect in my life today although that which began the seed, was sown from the fall. He says that example of what Adam did then had effects right to the end and the destruction of the world is in the negative. If you flip it to the positive, Christ does something that will have effect on many. I want to make something clear so that no one gets confused; you are not a sinner until you sin. Your sinful nature does not make you a sinner. It makes you predisposed to sin but until you yield to that nature in your inner man, you don’t become a sinner. I want to make sure that we understand that we are not born sinners but we are born with the sinful nature.

Death passed upon all men for that all have sinned. Because of my carnal nature, I then have this tendency. My feet slide imperceptibly towards evil and I transgress; but that is my action. We are not punished because of what Adam did. We are only punished for what we do.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Romans 5:16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.

Adam did something that affected every single person on the planet. Jesus Christ did something that affects every single person on the planet whether they believe in Him or not. That is what the text is communicating to us.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
The apostle is comparing what Adam did, its effect on the planet to what Christ did and its effect on the planet.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Adam sinned and I was born. Now I activate that which he passed to me and in activating that, I start sinning. Christ gives me something and I must activate that. In activating that I become righteous. This is what Christ did on the cross. He gave the world access to something if they will that can make them righteous. It is a free gift.

Christ in His humanity wrought out a perfect character, and this character He offers to impart to us. {COL 311.4}

Christ wrought out a perfect character and this becomes a seed. As much as Adam has a seed and we are as a result of his seed, so Christ has seed that can produce people for His kingdom; one is earthly and one is spiritual. It is a free gift. You had nothing to do with Christ performing His perfect character. You didn’t cheer Him along. You weren’t there to help Him. He did it alone. What He wrought out alone, He offers to give to you. You cannot buy it. You cannot work for it. There is nothing you can do to earn it. It is simply a gift. Do you believe that a gift has to be received before it can be enjoyed? Some people don’t get that. It is just a gift therefore you don’t have to receive it.

An Illustration

Three men were on a boat in the ocean. These men got a little intoxicated and because of their wrong actions the result was their boat sank and they were swimming around in the water. As they came to their senses, they started kicking themselves for what they had done and for being in such a predicament in the water. A life boat came along and had a lifesaver to rescue these people. One man reasoned like this; I got myself in this predicament. I will get myself out. I will not take the help of this lifesaver. I have to do it myself. I got myself in. I will get myself out.

He started swimming off to wherever he thought the closest beach was even though there was no land in sight and he went. The failure of this man was he drowned and died. There is no way he had the capacity to swim the length that he was required. He died. There were two remaining men. The other man was rejoicing. He was so happy. In fact he was clapping his hands. He reasoned like this; I am so thankful that help has come. I am so thankful that we have a lifesaver. I am so happy. That is all he did. He was just happy. He drowned. His happiness didn’t save him. He was happy about a lifesaver but he never received it. The last man took hold of what this gift was. He didn’t earn the lifesaver. He caused the problem himself. He was one of the drunkards that made their boat sink. He didn’t deserve anyone to come and save him. He deserved to drown yet by the grace of that person who came to save him he accepted that and he received it and took hold of it and made it affect his life to the point that he got out of the water and was saved.

The point is that we can rejoice over the gift of Christ and yet at the same time not receive it in the way it should be received. We can understand it and we can be happy about the understanding of it, but it will not affect our lives. I would like to propound to you that the atonement is only going to affect you if you receive it today. Is the atonement completed at the cross or does it require reception? If I don’t have to receive it in order for it to work, then I will say it was completed at the cross. But if I have to receive the free gift then I am not one with God until I receive the atonement. This word atonement that is used in Romans 5:11 is the word expiate. The punishment to satisfy, to remove guilt was done at the cross but my concord with God, my being one in the state of one with God that Adam and Eve had before the fall is not going to eventuate until I receive the expiation for sin – the atonement for sin because there are two meanings for the word. I will not receive the atonement until I receive the atonement. Does that make sense? I will not become one with God until I receive the expiation for sin. Was the atonement completed at the cross?

Romans 4:1-3 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

The word believe is the same word as receive. It was accounted unto him for righteousness. The most amazing thing about the gift of God when you receive it is it is free. If I receive it, I get forgiveness for my sins.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:7-9 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

The gift of Christ enables us to enjoy forgiveness. Forgiveness means that the wrong I have done has now been pardoned and I do not have to face the penalty for that. I have sinned and the wages or penalty of sin is eternal death. Because of my reception of the atoning sacrifice, I am pardoned from receiving eternal death which equates simply to eternal life. It is more than a pardon. It is on your account. It is acquittal. That means that God puts on your account as though you have never sinned. Not just you are pardoned from eternal death but that your account is though you have never sinned. That is what is on your account, the blotting out of everything even the record of it. Praise the Lord! The things you never want mentioned again God has made a way for that to happen. It is more than that. It is imputation. Not just that your sins are now wiped off but Christ’s merits become your own.

What every good thing Christ ever did is put on your behalf. It is not just a clean slate or thank the Lord that you don’t have eternal death, and truly thank the Lord for that but it is more than that. It is though you have never sinned. The record of every deed has been wiped off in the negative and it is even more than that because the righteousness of Christ is applied to your account. In other words, you are accounted righteous. These are the results of receiving this gift. It is amazing. If you stop to think about that when you are feeling guilty and down and just like your life is a mess, you ponder and believe that with all your heart, it is something to be happy about what Christ has done.

When God was reckoning about Abraham He reckoned he was a good bloke. Not because he was a good bloke but because of Jesus’ merits. That is God’s reckoning because salvation is offered to the enemies of God – those who are currently in sin.

Romans 4:20-21 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

What is God promising to perform?

Now here comes some action. Here is the justification or imputation of Christ righteousness done on an account basis as in it is reckoned on a ledger in books. But when Abraham believed that which was in the books, he then believed that that which is written in the books could become performed in him. No longer now in books but in living functioning life.

Being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, He (God) was able also to perform. Therefore it was imputed to Him for righteousness. What is the way of receiving this gift? Firstly we need to understand what this gift is proposing to do to me practically. When I understand what it is going to do to me practically, will I still believe it? What does God propose to do to me practically?

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

If you don’t believe that, you haven’t received it therefore it is not in your account. I cannot experience pardon. I cannot experience the acquittal of all my sins, the blotting out of all my sins. I cannot experience the reception of the righteousness of Christ on my account until I believe, believe that God can make me godly, righteous and sober in this present world currently. The difficulty is that many people don’t believe that part and then claim to just believe; but believe in what? Believe in the fact that this is what God did for us and is offering to us. Is that the belief that is required to receive it? No.

Romans 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

It was not written for his sake alone but it was imputed to him. Were the promises just written to Abraham that Abraham believed God could make him a blessing and cause the ministry of Jesus, the gospel to come forward from his life? The same promises are for us too. If we live godly in Christ Jesus we will also be a blessing to this world.

Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Definition of Belief

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Can a soul be saved even though Jesus died for them and for their sins without belief? No.
If you receive Him currently, you will become something. There is a current reality that causes a future effect. It is all the way through the Bible. We cannot pull the two apart. We cannot say the atonement was completed at the cross when the effect of the atoning sacrifice requires a lot of time God has allowed to the end of our history to make its effect for people to become one with God.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Belief doesn’t make the devil saved because there are two types of beliefs; one is an accent to facts, to acknowledging what a fact is and the other is the reception into the heart. Here the word comes into a class of hearers and the devil comes, snatches the word out of their hearts lest they believe and be saved. The truth must go deep inside. This reality of the gift of Christ must become very deep. If you believe it with your whole heart it is extraordinary.

Luke 8:13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Is it possible to start believing and then stop? Then do I receive my atonement with God? Do I become in a state of unity with God when I cease believing? No! I have to remain there. I have to remain connected with the Lord in order to receive its benefits. There is a ministry going on which is to activate the effect of the atoning sacrifice. The atoning sacrifice was completed at the cross. The atoning ministry is still going.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Why have a ministry of reconciliation if everyone has reconciled? There is work. A ministry is an office – the work of reconciliation. The work of atonement is still going. Is there a ministry of atonement? Atonement and reconciliation are the same word. According to scripture we have been given the ministry of atonement. Our work is to unite people to God because it is not completed yet.

Is it true there are people who are not reconciled to God? Our work is to reconcile people to God. Not to ourselves, not to some creed, not to some organisation or denomination. It is to reconcile them to God. It hasn’t been completed yet. That is what the Bible says.

In Ephesians 2:12 through to 16, notice how it continues. It talks about what Christ did on the cross but it doesn’t finish it there. If we just read a few verses and leave it at that, we may come up with the wrong conclusions but when we read the whole message that is connected there it becomes evident of what God is communicating to us.

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];

Christ’s death created an atoning sacrifice. It was expiation for sin. The barrier was gone.

Ephesians 2:16-19 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

What Christ did, He sent preachers and we came and preached it to you and now you are part of the citizenship of God. Now you have received this atoning sacrifice but the Ephesians received it by the preaching of the apostles. They didn’t receive it at the crucifixion of Christ. What we see here is that what Christ has done must be administered out in order to ratify that which was done at the cross. To confirm it and make it come together. Without having unity, is it really an atonement? Even if the death of Christ happened and I am never reconciled to God, have I experienced the atonement? I haven’t. It hasn’t caused an atonement to take place.

What Transpired when Christ Died

We were in Christ, we were crucified with Christ. One died for all. He made a space in heaven for you. If you will accept the gift, if you will accept what Christ has done in suffering your sufferings and perfecting a character for you, then you have an account in heaven.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:

You are represented before the Father by Jesus Christ. Christ bears you before the Father. He is standing there as you. He has a place for you. If you receive it and are crucified with Christ yet you are still living here and are subject and submitted to every word that proceeds out of God’s mouth and have put yourself under His tuition and live by the faith of the Son of God, then your name is written in heaven.

The Book of Life

Jesus said to the disciples rejoice not so much that the devil is subject to you but rejoice because your names are written in heaven. You have an account in heaven and on that account is the righteousness of Christ. His character is compatible for you personally. As you receive that, it has to be downloaded into your life practically and then you can work the works of God because as it is the imputation of Christ’s righteousness into your account in heaven, is to be imparted to you through the process of sanctification.

For those who start to believe and then leave, their account will be deleted. The Bible is clear. If you study the Bible, can names come out of the book of life? Can accounts be deleted in heaven? Yes they can. It is written in many places. Probably the most famous one is Revelation 3. I will not blot your name out of the Lamb’s book of life. Even Moses when he was praying for the children of Israel said forgive them and If you won’t forgive them, blot me out of the books of heaven. Take away my account. If they can’t be saved, I’d rather be lost. The soul that sins it will die so God won’t do that, but Moses understood it.

We are living in the time that Peter preached about after Pentecost:

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Living the Last Days

We are living in the time where God is deleting things. He is going to delete all your sins and put in Christ righteousness into your account but it is all dependent whether you are going to receive it practically, whether it will be downloaded into you. Christ is not just one for making a thief into a righteous man just simply by saying it. He does it practically. He first makes it on the account and then it has to be imparted to him over the course of his lifetime. If at any time he rejects it, according to Ezekiel 33 you can be good all your life but the moment you transgress, all your righteousness will not be remembered. It gets deleted off.

Suppose I follow the Lord for years, I accepted this gift honestly and in my account in heaven my name was written. Under my name all my transgressions were taken away and the righteousness of Christ was put there and then a week before I died, I decided to give up my faith, walk away from the Lord and become unbelieving. The sins that have been transferred into the books of records will then be placed back into my account, the righteousness of Christ will then be deleted off my account and I will perish.

What I will face in judgment is not so much what I have done in actions like how many times I stole things from the grocery store, but what I did with Jesus. What did you do with this gift? That will be the biggest condemnation. When you think of this gift, how much did it cost God? What did you do with it? This is shown in many illustrations of Jesus when it comes to the talents. What did you do? What have you done with the free gifts Jesus gave you that are so precious? Did you rub it in the dirt and spit on it and crucified Christ afresh? Or did you receive it with all your heart and allow it to impart the righteousness of Christ into your life? We are living in the time when judgment begins in the house of God. God is going through accounts. People that are already deceased, He is going through either deleting them or deleting their sins – one or the other. He’s come to the living. Are we going to receive this free gift of imputed righteousness and the impartation of that righteousness in practical realities in this present world? Or will I be disbelieving, trick myself and be lost?

I hope this has challenged you in a way to examine yourself and comforted you to see what the gift of Christ really is and given you hope to receive it and also to answer the question, was the atonement completed at the cross or is it still going on now? May the Lord help us in this Day of Atonement.



Posted on September 7, 2013, in Divine Service Sermons and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 3 Comments.

  1. I do read with delight, actually (Although it might appear I hold controverting views) the sermons as they are presented.

    This forum, actually, is one of the very few that I do not hold in complete & utter 100% contempt.

    G*D’s anger is just that: Angst

    Any righteous indignation is couched & steeped in grief

    Don’t deny G*D a very holy & real attribute.

    Angst against that which is evil & for the effects of which evil perpetrated goes on to destroy, like a cancer, the living cells of G*D’s creation.

    The real tragedy here is that even after all of this is over?? Much as the SCARS of inflicted hatred & sin showed upon the transfigured body of Messiach??

    ALL of creation will certainly bear the tragic results & mired results of the cancer of sin upon the whole for all of eternity.

    if one cannot fathom this as a reality, there is MUCH needful insight that should be sought for & contemplated upon, then..

    Just because it is isolated & quarantined here on this earthly realm does not mean the body, as a whole, does not suffer from the malaise of sin, ego, & selfishness.

    Oh, & “We the People” attributed to G*D that he was “Angry” at us as a way to avoid the reproaching cleansing aspect of revelation of the ego, the selfishness, & the cynical man-of-sin that inhabits us all.

    G*D is angry at us…is simply yet another excuse to avoid the real issue & deal with it….just as in proposing that Messiach did it all nailing it to the cross is also a self-excusing “out” to avoid the very needful death of our self & ego that must happen in order to inherit any after-life (should it actually exist).

    There is simply no grading curve….THAT is where Modern adventism and reformed belief is missing the entire process & yet still expecting to squeak by based upon some “hope”.

    It won’t & cannot happen….& THAT is the sobering truth that the “Church” refuses to actually preach or teach.

    But thank you for posting the comment even after the discriminatory “Moderation”.

    Why moderate??

    I am quite sure that no one on these blogs will use pejorative profanity in proffering a prepositional position (You have no idea how hard that was for a French Canadienne to think of & compose, lolz), so why the need for Moderation, n’et pas??

  2. Nice!! Discrimination at every juncture: “Your comment is awaiting moderation. “

  3. The Cross” has absolutely nothing to do with being “At-One-Ment” with The Creator with regards to G*D’s Creation & our salvation.

    Salvation comes from living a SINLESS, SIN-FREE, SELF-LESS LIFE.

    Nothing more, & certainly nothing less than this.

    The “Cross” only unmasks what the god of sin & a pursuit of allowing sin to remain & propagate upon the whole of creation would ultimately “do” to the “Life-Giver & Sustain-er”.

    This is best illustrated by “AIDS”: It infects a living being & is passed from living host to living host via intimate contact & relationships.

    AIDS, like sin, merely & simply is illogical & the only thing that is “Against us” in that the very “Thing” that gives it life & the ability to reproduce (Us) it eventually KILLS….thus also killing itself.

    THAT is the “Mystery of Iniquity”…not such a mystery if one simply THINKS about it.

    The mystery of Godliness in the human agent is also not such a grande mystery at all:

    G*D simply & thoroughly cleanses HIS Temple (US) of all infecting agents and causes us to walk within the constraints of his law and live a sinless selfish-free life..against whcih there is no law of condemnation and certainly no claim of the AIDS Like Virus of SIN upon the human agent.

    Not such a great mystery again…if one THINKS about it simply & as presented in THE SANCTUARY MESSAGE.

    The Creator was never “angry” with his creation for the rebellion or disobedience although “We his People” certainly adopted this fear-based mind-set (As was clearly demonstrated at the Mount Sinai (Sinai derives from sin-ah (שִׂנְאָה), meaning hatred or enmity).

    The Enmity was not on the part of G*D, tho….he had drawn his people unto himself, taken care of them, provided for them, yearned to have a close intimate relationship with them.

    He was not their enemy although the people refused to speak to him & instead forced Moses to do so “On their Behalf”.

    We do the VERY SAME THING with “Christ” or “Jesus”. Instead of entering into fellow-ship…intimate fellow-ship & relationship with G*D, we want it done vicariously through some-one ELSE: Instead of Moses tho, it is with Messiach.

    “At-One-Ment” was demonstrated in the LIFE of Messiach (כבוד שם יהוה) Wherein G*D was in Messiach reconciling the “World” or the fallen earthliness or that which was estranged from himself back into relationship WITH himself SHOWING what he yearned to do and was actively trying to do in the midst of all of his creation: Us.

    Messiach was merely a physical epistle or demonstration of the entire truth all along of a Creator pursuing his creation & trying to have an intimate relationship with that Creature created in his own image.

    Isaiah 30:15 “For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.”

    Yup….Protestantism as well as Adventism (Which was never to be a “Denomination”) errs grossly with the very same transubstantiation catholic doctrine that they denounce other churches of holding & being in error: That of Vicarious Substitutorial involvement from as afar off from a supposedly demanding angry god as possible.

    In this case the Corpus Christie being that OTHER Guy who did it all for us & now mediates in the midst of the temple before G*D so we don’t have to.

    So sad: Adventism which ignores completely the TRUE message they are set-apart to bring to the world: the Sanctuary Message, completely ignores that wonderful intelligent work that is to be done in the midst of G*D’s Creation through an intimate relationship with a Creator that WANTS the relationship.

    Once that type of relationship is intelligently cultured & developed?? Selfishness & it’s “fruit” or symptom “SIN” will naturally atrophy and become asphyxiated from sullying the human agent & we will then indeed be saved BY THE LAW [Love] OF G*D & freed from the slavery of sin & death in verity.

    But you guys would not….because it is too much to ask?? The message is simple…the mechanic’s of it undeniable yet it is utterly refused even by reformed Adventism.

    So very interesting. The serpentine sophistry seduces even those who think they “have the truth”.

    As with Elijah:
    G*D is waiting in the quietness & solitude of the humble unadorned cave to fellow-ship with his Creation.

    But we would not because of the supposed repugnance of this invitation.

    Oh & because we love “Self” & sin precariously more than we Love G*D…

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